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Post by luvastorm on Nov 24, 2010 22:07:17 GMT -5
Our vet called to-day with the results of the blood work on our "Incontinent Senior Male" - Yoda.
To make a long story short, his ALP values have risen AGAIN, showing that his kidneys are under a lot of stress and to reduce that stress a LOW protein diet has been recommended. Preferably with a protein content of 5% or less.
Does anyone have a recommendation - or a recipe???Also, because his liver readings weren't good either, we're putting him on Milk Thistle.
Although he is leaving a few drops here and there, the major incontinence issue seems to have gone away - for the moment.
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Post by krissy on Nov 24, 2010 22:30:57 GMT -5
Sorry, I'm a little confused because ALP is a liver enzyme.... Urea and creatinine tend to be our indicators for kidney function (thoug urea can also be a liver indicator).
I'm assuming you're going for a home made diet, not a commercial? I know there's one with cottage cheese involved (I think that was the low protein one anyway). I have it in my notes somewhere. If I find it I will let you know.
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krash
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Post by krash on Nov 25, 2010 19:45:51 GMT -5
Our Dalmatian Krash was on Hills Canine U/D for her entire life and it worked well for her. Many Dalmatians have a low tolerance for protein and this was the case with her. Yes, it is a little more expensive than normal store-bought brands, as you can only get it at a vet; but Krash did amazing on it and luckily, never tired of it. Hope this helps.
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Post by moncheri on Nov 25, 2010 22:23:54 GMT -5
Hi Carol - sorry to hear about Yoda. I don't have any recommendations...did your vet suggest any brands?
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Redhead
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Post by Redhead on Nov 25, 2010 22:48:04 GMT -5
If you're going homemade, I would suggest Monica Segal, as she specializes in homemade diets for health problems(http://www.monicasegal.com/). I actually have one of her books that specifically targets diets for all kinds of medical problems (both cooked and raw)....will take a look as I am sure she has a big chapter on Kidney friendly diets and info. She does private consulations and specific meal plans for individual dogs and she is pretty highly respected and experienced. She is a graduate of the animal nutrition program at the U. of Guelph and many vets use and recommend her.
One thing (I think, I am no expert) about kidneys is I thought that moisture was ideal for keeping them functioning well...so a canned type food or homemade type diet may be better than a really low moisure kibble. I don't think you could find a kibble with what you are looking for unless it was a prescription one (personally, I'm not a fan of their ingredients like peanut shell hulls and other stuff, but if it works and keeps him healthy, go for it).
There is actually a lot of debate about whether protein is as important as phosporus reduction in kidney disease. You may want to look into that as well.
Good luck!
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Post by alana on Nov 27, 2010 22:51:18 GMT -5
For store bought kibble - there are two low protein options available that I know of, and I've had several customers use them with success.
There's Innova's Senior Formula which is 18% protein, and 8% fat I believe. It's turkey, chicken & herring, with oatmeal, barley & rice.
Wellness' Healthy Weight formula is also low protein, at 17%.
Those are just the low protein formulas I know of off the top of my head. Healing vibes for Yoda!
Alana
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Post by luvastorm on Dec 4, 2010 12:17:29 GMT -5
Krissy - yes, ALP is a liver enzyme - both Yoda's kidneys and liver are failing and now he has what may be a histiocytoma on his left front leg, just above the joint. He's booked to have it biopsied on Dec. 20.
And yes, we are looking for a recipe for a home-made food.
Alana - thanks for the info on the food. We may be over to get a bag.
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Post by krissy on Dec 4, 2010 15:26:17 GMT -5
Found the recipe:
Cottage Cheese and Rice diet (Low protein, low fat) 1/2 cup cottage cheese (1% fat) 2 cups of rice, long grained, cooked Egg yolk of 1 large egg, hard boiled 3 bone meal tablets (10-grain or equivalent) 1/4 teaspoon potassium chloride salt 1 multiple vitamin-mineral tablet
Provides 551 kcal, 25.4 g protein, 7.2 grams of fat
I have no idea what a bone meal tablet is. Anyway, hope this helps.
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Post by campgreyhound on Dec 21, 2010 21:21:21 GMT -5
Best information on kidney (and liver) disease that I've come across is on this site: www.dogaware.com/Mary's done an amazing job researching diets for these problems, and has no agenda regarding foods. Her dietary suggestions gave Romi a lot of comfort and a complete cessation of kidney symptoms.
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